a letter of reprimand in your file, two weeks without pay. there are other laws or other government regulations that can be used to take care of something like this but to pursue me for the intelligence identities protections act was heavy handed. in fact, the author of the intelligence identities protections act volunteered to testify at my trial because he said that's not why the law was written. i have come to learn that most whistleblowers don't believe they're whistleblowers in the beginning. i do meet the legal definition of whistleblowing, bringing forward waste, fraud or illegality. and that's what i did. >> you're saying that the government started targeting you after you spoke out first in 2007, a time when you said these practices, in your view, were torture. you said that officials high in the government authorized them. you also said they worked. in fact, in 2007, you told msnbc you were coming forward then because you thought that the agency had gotten, quote, a bum rap on waterboarding. that's someone who is defending these practices not -- >> yes, i did defend them.